Is Nateva Backed By Live Nation???

[visitor]

#1 or kys.

[mike]

Mar 29, 2010 14:59:21 GMT -5 frankchandler said:

My name is Frank Chandler and the dream called 'Nateva Festival' started with me about 16 months ago. I am a husband, father, deadhead and businessman living in Massachusetts with a long term personal connection to Maine . It always seemed to me like there were lot's of music lovers north of Boston and for some reason most of the good music stopped before it got up to Maine, NH and VT. Great festivals only made it as far north as Bridgeport, CT. It just seemed there was a ton of demand for a top level festival up in Maine. I tripped over the guys that put together the Upnorth Festival in Hiram, ME at about the time I started to look into putting on a festival. They were young guys who while they had the heart, they never had the money necessary to make an event of this size successful, and as a result, at the conclusion of their event they owed money to vendors and contractors. In my mind, they had proven that people wanted an event like that, so I continued to move forward with my plans. I paid those guys to let me use their pictures on the new Nateva Website and bought the Upnorth email list of ticket buyers. I hired one of their promoters and their head of production (who runs production at the House of Blues in Boston) to help with Nateva. Since we weren't known in the music community, we hired Live Nation to book our talent. They control the flow of bands in New England and they seemed an appropriate company to handle our booking. The first act they signed for us was Furthur. They always acted professionally and did everything that they promised us that they would do. Our only relationship to Live Nation is that they handled our initial round of booking. I make no apologies for that decision and am pleased with our lineup. I hope you are too. Today we are a family business putting on the Nateva Festival, hopefully on an annual basis. Our money came from a small group of my friends, and their friends. We have a small team of committed people in the greater Boston area that are working 18 hours a day, seven days a week, to make this an extraordinary event for every one of you. We have never done anything like this before and there will no doubt be hiccups along the way, but be assured that we will continue to work hard to make this the best festival that we can, for everybody involved. People think it's strange that we communicate openly with all of you, shame on them. All we do is offer a little bit of customer service to you - our friends and customers. You ask questions and we try to answer them. Has the music industry so lost it's way that it's forgotten how to communicate with their own customers? People say that we chose the bands that that the fans cried out for on our Facebook site. Is that so terrible? Shouldn't we try to provide our customers with the music that they want to hear? Aren't they the customers, after all. This is a grassroots effort and it's all about all of you. That said, I'd appreciate it if you all didn't post my home address and contact info on the web or on the boards. I'm a little shy about my personal life, please respect it if you can. I hope to see you all in Maine this summer and my wife and kids thank you for your continued support of our family business, The Nateva Festival.

Warm Regards to You All,

Frank

Thanks bro we look forward to it!
Hopefully the cash Oxford makes will also help the ampatheatre happen!
Furthur on the 4th!

[terpklein]

Frank I have no clue who you are, hope I somehow meet u at the fest! you are awesome.

[deadshowdan]

Thanks Frank for a clear answer. That sort of straightforwardness is much appreciated.

I wish you good luck. and again my apologies for posting that public information publicly. I left out the phone number and email addy, but I assumed your domain was registered to a business address. I do suggest you change it to such an address, easily done on godaddy.

[deadshowdan]

Mar 29, 2010 19:18:56 GMT -5 visitor said:

I also love that the fest claims to be able to accommodate 15,000 people on a 100 acre site. I think they need a lesson in measurement and area.

Where do they say that?

'll take a crack at running the numbers assuming the whole site is 100 acres.

Let's call it 50 acres that can be camped (I actually think that's high, ya need roads, potty, performance space, vending, production, etc.)

15000/50=300/acre.

43,560 square feet/300 people=145 square feet per person. That's 14x10

Ok, we have the answer.

Not enough space.

So maybe it's the performance area that's 100 acres?

[deadshowdan]

though , 290 square feet for two seems doable.

I dunno, how many people in the average campsite?

[bigtoddy]

Dear Frank and other Wealthy Investment Bankers,

You may find it interesting to note that Livenation may control the flow of music in New England, but that is a bad thing. There are many among us who do not support their heavy handed tactics and business practices. We feel that they stifle honest competition and produce an altogether sub-par product. Everything they touch is overpriced and under performing, but due to their near-monopoly status and ability to dictate the perpetuation of that monopoly, they become profitable and even more powerful. The products they produce would not be acceptable to the general public if there were any reasonable competition, but, as they say, the fix is in. There are many of us who have come to the conclusion that the only remedy is to not support any livenation event. That means not buying tickets. That means not attending the events. That means talking to friends and persuading them to do the same. I am sorry, but just as I declined to see Phish last year, and decline to support in any way a live nation event, I will decline to support your festival. Should you put on the best event you possibly can? Yes. Should you sell your soul to do it? No, but then again I look at how you made your fortunes and maybe you don't know about that kind of thing. I'm sure your event will be a fantastic success, but you can be sure that I won't support you, and I will do my best to make sure my friends don't support you either.

[nydeadhead]

My guess is this rumor started on the GOTV boards. I recall a few threads that people were upset that nateva got furthur and vibes did not so they started saying negative things about it.
Some of the things this "visitor" has been saying are repeated in some posts on vibes boards so i'm guessing he's just one of the whiners trying to bring the childish vibe drama over here.
I could care less if live nation helps nateva or not, if thats what it takes to have a sweet lineup then it is what it is.
After reading franks post, he sounds like he's got his heart in it as well as his wallet and is doing this because it's what people want. It's going to be 1 hell of a good time. The guy who runs the vibes took his heart out of it and kind of sucker-punched the "vibe tribe".

[crixtala]

Mar 30, 2010 9:22:05 GMT -5 nydeadhead said:

I could care less if live nation helps nateva or not, if thats what it takes to have a sweet lineup then it is what it is.
After reading franks post, he sounds like he's got his heart in it as well as his wallet and is doing this because it's what people want. It's going to be 1 hell of a good time. The guy who runs the vibes took his heart out of it and kind of sucker-punched the "vibe tribe".

That's how I feel too... so what if Live Nation helped book acts? That's the reason we're going to be able to see Furthur on the 4th! Plus, I'm sure they had their hands in many more of the great acts we'll be seeing that weekend.

Yeah, Live Nation may be the reason that ticket prices are getting ridiculous for concerts, but all I know is... I paid a dirt cheap price for Nateva on faith when they first came out, and I'm being rewarded GREATLY with the lineup now. So, the argument that Live Nation is ripping me off doesn't hold true here.

In my opinion, this things being run exactly like a festival should... especially a small, intimate one. I don't get why people are reacting so negatively to it (thankfully, just a small group). This is exactly what I want out of my festival... everyone should be happy, because it's going to be a damn good time.

;D

[flyingfrog]

nydeadhead - doesn't sound or read like a rumor anymore - with Frank posting his letter on this forum.

forums facilitate you expressing your opinion & others expressing their opinions, seems to work well, no need to trash others for doing exactly what you are doing - my opinion anyway.

[zeketweak]

Please, brahmigos. Can't we all just unzz out together?

[atmosphere]

Mar 30, 2010 8:03:51 GMT -5 bigtoddy said:

Dear Frank and other Wealthy Investment Bankers,

You may find it interesting to note that Livenation may control the flow of music in New England, but that is a bad thing. There are many among us who do not support their heavy handed tactics and business practices. We feel that they stifle honest competition and produce an altogether sub-par product. Everything they touch is overpriced and under performing, but due to their near-monopoly status and ability to dictate the perpetuation of that monopoly, they become profitable and even more powerful. The products they produce would not be acceptable to the general public if there were any reasonable competition, but, as they say, the fix is in. There are many of us who have come to the conclusion that the only remedy is to not support any livenation event. That means not buying tickets. That means not attending the events. That means talking to friends and persuading them to do the same. I am sorry, but just as I declined to see Phish last year, and decline to support in any way a live nation event, I will decline to support your festival. Should you put on the best event you possibly can? Yes. Should you sell your soul to do it? No, but then again I look at how you made your fortunes and maybe you don't know about that kind of thing. I'm sure your event will be a fantastic success, but you can be sure that I won't support you, and I will do my best to make sure my friends don't support you either.

If you really look at all this negativity in a different light, its sort of a good thing, actually a great thing. You ask why..? Because each person who seems to be so upset on here is upset over live nation. This being said..! We don't have to hear, see, or deal with any of them at Nateva. They will never attend since they're so strong about their view of live nation. More tickets for all of us fans to enjoy this amazing festival! ...Oh and one last thing...if you look at the ticket price, it works in our benefit also, it weeds out the slimers and wooks from buying a cheap ticket to have a place to stay and cause ruckus and huff away their brain cells. Ticket prices are beautiful. The fans who really want to see a good show and have been saving to do so will get what they pay for, an intimate setting with great people! ;D

[huck]

Frank, thanks for the transparency. and YES naysayers stay home! Live Nation is not going anywhere, and complaining about them on this forum is not doing any good either. Nateva's not a LN FEST, and if LN were instrumental bringing Furthur being there, well then so be it. Positive brings positive. THERE IS NOT EVEN ANYTHING TANGIBLE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT YET! as if there ever will be.

I am proud to have my ticket and pumped to BE A PARTICIPANT in the first Nateva. We all know it's "never as good as the first time" (roo, vegoose, etc) so saddle up for what should be a singular experience.

LN haters, go over to another forum to get results. You are not at the proper site.

[nydeadhead]

Mar 30, 2010 9:58:29 GMT -5 flyingfrog said:

nydeadhead - doesn't sound or read like a rumor anymore - with Frank posting his letter on this forum.

forums facilitate you expressing your opinion & others expressing their opinions, seems to work well, no need to trash others for doing exactly what you are doing - my opinion anyway.

I prety much figured it was a rumor when i first saw the title of the thread. I just added my .02 is all. i'm not exactly sure what you are talking about, i did'nt bash anyone.

[nateva420]

Live nation is booking/running the music side of things... Its not a rumor, its been confirmed from Nateva.

I personally think Live Nation should run every thing! They do a great job at selling tickets, controlling the flow of bands in to an area. I hope they over see the vendors too... that way we get top notch vendors and food. I have no problem paying double or triple for this service! You guys need to grow up and realize that there is no room in the music industry for the little guy and they need to get out of the way.

I cant wait for Ticketmaster and live nation merge!

[itrainmonkeys]

Mar 30, 2010 11:51:14 GMT -5 nateva420 said:

Live nation is booking/running the music side of things... Its not a rumor, its been confirmed from Nateva.

The rumor is false. The rumor was that Nateva was backed by LiveNation. That's completely false.....straight from the mouth of the guy who put Nateva together, Frank. His post clearly states:

Our only relationship to Live Nation is that they handled our initial round of booking.


If you want to have a discussion about Live Nation/Ticketmaster and the problems they are bringing to the music industry.....create a separate thread in the off topic or go to another forum where that is being discussed. There's no need for unnecessary drama here. Grow up.

[bigtoddy]

Mar 30, 2010 11:51:14 GMT -5 nateva420 said:

I personally think Live Nation should run every thing! ... I hope they over see the vendors too... that way we get top notch vendors and food. I have no problem paying double or triple for this service!

You like paying $6 for a liter of water with no cap? Honestly, you think that is a good thing? You're either a moron or a shill for LN.

I won't even humor the rest of what you said. Obviously you've never known or enjoyed smaller bands and artists, nor do you understand that paying up to 40% of the ticket price in 'service fees' is completely ridiculous and was unimaginable even 10 years ago.

This thread is about Livenation's involvement in Nateva. Like it or not, that is a negative in many people's eyes. Do most people just hold their nose and support them anyway? Yes. Will I? No. Don't do things in the name of family that are obvious ruthless business decisions (not that there's anything wrong with that, I just can't support you.)

[itrainmonkeys]

Mar 30, 2010 12:28:49 GMT -5 bigtoddy said:

Mar 30, 2010 11:51:14 GMT -5 nateva420 said:

I personally think Live Nation should run every thing! ... I hope they over see the vendors too... that way we get top notch vendors and food. I have no problem paying double or triple for this service!

You like paying $6 for a liter of water with no cap? Honestly, you think that is a good thing? You're either a moron or a shill for LN.

I won't even humor the rest of what you said. Obviously you've never known or enjoyed smaller bands and artists, nor do you understand that paying up to 40% of the ticket price in 'service fees' is completely ridiculous and was unimaginable even 10 years ago.

This thread is about Livenation's involvement in Nateva. Like it or not, that is a negative in many people's eyes. Do most people just hold their nose and support them anyway? Yes. Will I? No. Don't do things in the name of family that are obvious ruthless business decisions (not that there's anything wrong with that, I just can't support you.)

I'm pretty sure their post was sarcastic. I think they agree with you actually.

[idio]

Mar 30, 2010 8:03:51 GMT -5 bigtoddy said:

I am sorry, but just as I declined to see Phish last year, and decline to support in any way a live nation event

sweet - one less person buying tickets on phriday!


frank, it's a shame you had to go on the defensive about (what looks to be) a well organized and excellent event. kudos to you for realizing your dreams.

if you ever need an unpaid intern to work nights, let me know


(seriously - i would love to be a part of this)

[bigtoddy]

Mar 30, 2010 12:31:13 GMT -5 itrainmonkeys said:

I'm pretty sure their post was sarcastic. I think they agree with you actually.

Apon further review, you may be right. My sarcasometer is out of alignment. I get real fired up about livenation, they really do take away from what I love the most, which is seeing great music with great people with a minimum of hassles. So disappointed that this fest sold out to them (in whatever limited form they did, the whole thing is still tainted)

[boo]

And something to remember-for every unhappy customer their is like 100 to offset them. People post/vent more when they are mad/upset about something.

People also have the right to discuss or debate their views, however you can get your point across in a respectful manner not sounding rude and hateful.

[deadshowdan]

Mar 30, 2010 9:38:40 GMT -5 crixtala said:

In my opinion, this things being run exactly like a festival should... especially a small, intimate one.

However it's being run, how the heck can you call 15,000 people intimate?

Sure it's not Bonaroo, but 15,000 people is not intimate LOL!

You want an intimate festival the same weekend, you can go to Blue Heron Festival, that's intimate!

15K people is a major festival, not a small one.

[crixtala]

Mar 30, 2010 13:05:08 GMT -5 deadshowdan said:

Mar 30, 2010 9:38:40 GMT -5 crixtala said:

In my opinion, this things being run exactly like a festival should... especially a small, intimate one.

However it's being run, how the heck can you call 15,000 people intimate?

Sure it's not Bonaroo, but 15,000 people is not intimate LOL!

You want an intimate festival the same weekend, you can go to Blue Heron Festival, that's intimate!

15K people is a major festival, not a small one.

Coming up from North Carolina... 'roo is the standard that I'm pretty much used to. I was absolutely blown away with the "intimate" feel of Rothbury last year compared to previous 'roo's when that had however many people it had.

'Roo was my first festival, so dropping down to Rothbury's size was crazy. It was so weird to see the same people over and over again just wondering through the crowd... that's hardly something you run into with something like 'roo.

So, for a 15k person crowd, that's going to feel a LOT more intimate than what I'm used to. Should be awesome and I can't wait.

;D

EDIT: And I've been smited somewhere along the way.

[deadshowdan]

well that explains that. I highly suggest you go to an actual intimate festival.

You're in NC, so I'll point you to www.shakorihills.org/

[deadshowdan]

Can someone tell me if Further Fest has a LiveNation presence?