camping confusion

[eatthecabbage]

So a few of my friends have on site camping tickets and a few have off site camping tickets. What im wondering is if the off site camping tickets bar the individual human being from setting foot on the on-site camp grounds or if it bars the ticket holder from bringing their car onto the camp grounds. It is no big deal if some of us have to park far away, but it would be nice to be able to camp with all of my friends. does anybody know how this is going to work?

[itrainmonkeys]

Onsite camping tickets will gain you access to the onsite camping locations. You can drive up and park there and camp.

Offsite camping tickets will require you to park at the Speedway (about 2-3 miles away) and camp there. There will be shuttles running constantly to bring people to the venue.

Offsite camping ticket holders supposedly aren't going to be admitted to the Thursday events....I believe that is only for onsite camping ticket holders.

You can browse some similar questions/responses in the Official Nateva Q & A section that may help you get your answer.....you can even post your question there and hopefully a Nateva employee will respond.

Here's a few links:

www.infoteva.com/index.cgi?board=natevaqa&action=display&thread=329

www.infoteva.com/index.cgi?board=natevaqa&action=display&thread=82

Also, there have been responses on the Nateva Festival facebook page....I'd check that out as well if I were you

[direwolf40]

I hope Nateva can secure a bigger site in the future so that all of these logistical problems don't have to be so draconian. A big enough space for 15,000 with room for vehicles and the ability to socialize with friends at your campsite would be excellent. Also, not being wacked an additional $35 after you've already paid would be cool too.
Nateva If Mt. Jam is your model you might want to shop around some other festivals and see how they do it too.
Delfest, for example, is an excellently organized and run festival with grounds large enough to accomodate all of its guests, no ridiculous "oh yeah, you gotta pay more now cause I said so B.S" and the freedom to hang with your friends at your campsite (unless they are the minority VIP-ers).

Nateva has three "classes" of campers
1. VIP
2 On Site
3 Off Site - can only hang with other off-site people.

I'll have fun as I can have fun almost anywhere but I'm thinking that Nateva might actually want to put some thought into any future festivals they have and post all the rules before they sell any tickets. It would make things a lot easier and piss off a lot fewer people.

[shmalphy]

First of all I don't use Facebook, but that is a different discussion.

Do you people realize how hard you are making this on yourselves? You have to carpool but you can't carpool with off siters, you won't get to see half of your friends most of the weekend. I can't wait to see the fences getting ripped down...

[itrainmonkeys]

Jun 22, 2010 15:35:33 GMT -5 shmalphy said:

Do you people realize how hard you are making this on yourselves? You have to carpool but you can't carpool with off siters, you won't get to see half of your friends most of the weekend. I can't wait to see the fences getting ripped down...

You can see your friends as much as you want. Hang out inside the venue (which is where you should be anyway....it's where all the music is or even at their off-site camping area.

Nateva was forced to take some measures as far as friends visit the onsite camping goes because too many people were making a big deal about it on Facebook and on here and since these are public forums....some people saw it and grew concerned about the amount of people "sneaking into" onsite camping or people talking about setting up camp with their friends even tho they don't have onsite passes.

I doubt we'll see any fences getting ripped down. Hopeful for that anyway.

[armedaneian]

Wow shmalphy tear the fence down? That's pretty douchey! To borrow a phrase from Keller, "Gate Crashers Suck".

I don't see the issue. If being with your friends is so important, stay with them off-site... it's free!

[joker]

Jun 20, 2010 21:39:48 GMT -5 direwolf40 said:

Nateva has three "classes" of campers
1. VIP
2 On Site
3 Off Site - can only hang with other off-site people.

Different levels of tickets offering different things at different prices is nothing new. At most shows you have a choice of seats at different price levels


1. Floor seats
2. Loge
3. Balcony

You want the good seats you pay the extra for them.

IMHO it's foolish to think those that buy the balcony seats should be allowed to take the seats on the floor when there aren't enough to go around.

If one wanted to hang with the on-site crowd then one should have bought on-site camping tix when they were available. I'm pretty sure this wasn't a change in any type of rule and everyone knew about it ahead of time.

I have no sympathy for people who are pissed off at the promoter because they didn't buy their tickets when they were still available.

[velvetc]

Most of this whole onsite/offsite problem is because so many people just waited and waited and waited to get their ticket as if they wouldn't sell 7,000 tickets. That is a ridiculously low number for a festival with this lineup, yet people somehow thought that onsite tickets would last forever. I don't agree with a lot of the rules Nateva made late in the game, but most people can't blame anyone but himself/herself for not getting a ticket they knew they wanted to get.

[direwolf40]

Jun 22, 2010 16:16:59 GMT -5 joker said:

Jun 20, 2010 21:39:48 GMT -5 direwolf40 said:

Nateva has three "classes" of campers
1. VIP
2 On Site
3 Off Site - can only hang with other off-site people.

Different levels of tickets offering different things at different prices is nothing new. At most shows you have a choice of seats at different price levels


1. Floor seats
2. Loge
3. Balcony

You want the good seats you pay the extra for them.

IMHO it's foolish to think those that buy the balcony seats should be allowed to take the seats on the floor when there aren't enough to go around.

If one wanted to hang with the on-site crowd then one should have bought on-site camping tix when they were available. I'm pretty sure this wasn't a change in any type of rule and everyone knew about it ahead of time.

I have no sympathy for people who are pissed off at the promoter because they didn't buy their tickets when they were still available.

I think the issue here is the numbers.
Half the attendees are in a segregated area.

There are plenty of reasons why some people weren't able to get the onsite when they were available.

The fact remains that if they had a large enough venue to accomodate all attendees there would be no debate.

Joker, I hope you have a friend arrive that doesn't have onsite camping and is unable to visit you at your site, perhaps then you will see the other side of this.

[joker]

I'm pretty sure those in the off-site can be visited by anyone, that's hardly being segregated.

Sure they could look for another place, maybe they will next year but for this year it's here and we'll all have to deal with the way things are set up. I agree, if there was more room this wouldn't be an issue.

If anything this will get people buying their tickets earlier next year

I do see the other side and if I had a friend who didn't have onsite I'd go visit him at his site. It really is that simple.

I'd imagine they won't be letting on-site campers into the VIP area either. Do you think we should all be allowed in there?

Thanks for the kind thought.

I hope you guys all get together, have a good time and use this as a learning experience for future fests. Make the best with what you got and enjoy the show.

[moehead]

Jun 22, 2010 22:45:48 GMT -5 joker said:

I'd imagine they won't be letting on-site campers into the VIP area either. Do you think we should all be allowed in there?

Theres no joke about what joker posted. Great comparison. If your friends were friends... they would visit you offsite.

[direwolf40]

Joker, I can tell by your response that you have difficulty with empathy and see this as "tough sh*t, I got mine"

I have no problem with the whole VIP thing and have been to many fests where the minority VIP purchasers have their own little "gated" community. It's not a problem because those people chose to go VIP while the vast majority get to hang out without having to worry about who bought what ticket when.

Nateva is different though with half the attendees in a gated (segregated) community. This festival is not all peace and love. It's about laying down harsh and unfriendly rules that somewhat diminish the free flowing atmosphere other festivals enjoy.

Nateva needs a bigger space plain and simple. This year is beyond debating as they've made the rules and have no intention of changing them.

I'll have fun at this show regardless of these heavy handed rules and I hope that when it's all said and done Nateva will change things up for the better in the future.

[armedaneian]

Maybe I have difficulty with empathy too. I knew I wanted to go to this festival, so I bought a ticket when they were available. There was no segregation about it... anyone could buy them! Be glad this is just a sold out campground... you can still go to the show! It's not like missing out on Phish tickets. How many people have been online at 9:59, when tickets go on sale at 10:00, and still gotten shut out?

This has nothing to do with peace and love or harsh and unfriendly business practices. If you feel sold out tickets "diminish the free flowing atmosphere that other festivals enjoy", skip this one and go to those others! If you think festivals need a bigger space, find a venue and put your own on!

To you, these are heavy handed, Nazi rules. To me it's fair and orderly... and reduces the possibility of a wookie falling through my tent at 5am!

[Dexxy]

Its ironic but had they not ever offered offsite camping to accommodate more people these people would have nothing to gripe about. They wouldnt view it as some sort of segregation because they wouldnt even be there, the fest would have sold out at 7k and that would be that.

[joker]

Jun 23, 2010 6:42:30 GMT -5 direwolf40 said:

Joker, I can tell by your response that you have difficulty with empathy and see this as "tough sh*t, I got mine"

I have no problem with the whole VIP thing and have been to many fests where the minority VIP purchasers have their own little "gated" community. It's not a problem because those people chose to go VIP while the vast majority get to hang out without having to worry about who bought what ticket when.

Nateva is different though with half the attendees in a gated (segregated) community. This festival is not all peace and love. It's about laying down harsh and unfriendly rules that somewhat diminish the free flowing atmosphere other festivals enjoy.

Nateva needs a bigger space plain and simple. This year is beyond debating as they've made the rules and have no intention of changing them.

I'll have fun at this show regardless of these heavy handed rules and I hope that when it's all said and done Nateva will change things up for the better in the future.

Dude, it's nothing like "tough sh*t I got mine" it's just reality.

You've got to realize the other festivals you mentioned are a lot smaller than this and they don't need as big a space to camp people. This is a major event and the logistics of finding space, getting permits, traffic control, amenities, security etc... all play a part in making it happen. Nothing is free.

Would you have been happier if, like Dexxy said, they had capped attendance at 7k? I'm sure that would have made things a lot easier for the guys putting this on.

You talk about "peace and love" but your words here seem to suggest that's not what's in your heart.

As opposed to griping about segragation, gated communities, laying down heavy handed, harsh and unfriendly rules why not thank them for putting this together for us and for trying their best to allow even more than the 7k people to see attend by offering up free camping and a free shuttle for those who didn't get the 7k on-site tickets? And again, those tickets were available to everyone for an extended period of time.

[digforfire]

Technically the "offsite camping" ticket is actually a 3 day pass with no camping. Nateva was kind enough to secure the speedway so those attendees would have a better situation, logistically. I'm not really sure how this translates into complaining about the organizers. Just looking at the map, I can see why they chose this location. If your friends are not allowed in onsite, go hang with them in off-site. It's really that simple.

The empathy comment is obnoxious. These onsite tickets have been on sale for A LONG TIME. I don't feel bad at all.

[direwolf40]

Simply put: this is a forum where people can say what they want.

I say that this fest would be better in a big enough venue to accomodate all attendees.

You say: we like the fact that it's a festival with gated communities.

Are you serious?

Yes, I'm glad that this fest is happening but I also paid for the ticket to go.
When I buy something and it falls short of my expectations I will speak up. I am not going to go all "Nateva is wonderfull for doing this and can do no wrong" which seems to be the mentality of those who are arguing this point for no real reason that I can see other than to be argumentative. I mean really, don't you think it would be better with a place big enough for all 15k attendees? This is what we're arguing about right?

Joker, maybe you should attend some other festivals and then perhaps you could speak with some understanding of what is possible. I was at a festival recently of similar size with enough room to accomodate all. No fences except VIP which is perfectly understandable and expected.

I only hope that others give constructive feedback too and that may help encourage the organizers of Nateva to try to find a big enough venue. If you all keep acting like "aww this is perrrrfect" then maybe the organizers won't try to make things better for next year.

Speak out

[mojo4395]

It's not perfect. It would be great if there was no on-site/off-site camping difference. But Nateva is not the only festival to do this. And we should recognize the fact that Nateva is trying to make things as easy as possible by offering a great off-site option for free. It'd be great if they are able to offer a larger camping area next year.

What I don't understand is that people are complaining about this situation now. This was explained a long time ago. It's unfortunate for groups where some people have on-site and some don't, but that was explained a long time ago.

[joker]

What expectations of yours have fallen short? Did you expect they'd allow folks to freely enter the on-site camping area where they could just drop a tent and set up even though they didn't have the tickets to do so? Did you expect nobody would do that? If so, those certainly aren't realistic expectations.

Nobody is suggesting that you can't speak up. I don't think anyone has suggested it's perfect, mainly because we don't yet. I'm sure the folks at Nateva can appreciate constructive criticism. But until we actually experience this festival we really don't know what would be "better."

I've been to more than a few festivals in my time and I do understand what is possible. I also understand what isn't and I know it's NOT possible to satisfy everyone.

Personally, I prefer a fest where I can set up shop among some trees in a nice rural setting, others might prefer a fest set up on an airbase where there's camping for 15k but everyone is baking (and not the good baking) in the sun. To each their own.

Let's see how this plays out and THEN offer up our constructive criticism rather than jumping all over them weeks before the event.

Hell, I've got no problem tearing them a new a$$hole IF it's a disaster but until then I have to believe they're doing the best they can for a first time festival of this size. I don't doubt for a second they want this to be a success and for everyone to enjoy themselves.

[tommacco]

i wouldn't be surprised if come friday evening/saturday morning they're letting people with weekend passes and without tents/whatnot into the on-site area.

there's always the option of your friends selling their on-site passes and downgrading to the off-site ones

i have a feeling the off-site camping is going to be much more of a party than the onsite camping. there'll be way more people there, in fact everyone but the people who bought their tickets a month in advance.

sucks you have to take the shuttle or walk an hour but at least you know ahead of time what to expect... at vibes you can pay for a full price ticket and they'll still park you 3 miles away from the music if you show up at the wrong time.

[vincheese]

I agree with tommacco. Sweet name by the way.

I was under the impression that anybody with a pass will be able to walk into onsite camping come friday (sans tent of course). They just need to secure all bases by telling people they can't. They definitely can't openly say that people with offiste can come and go as they please or that you can bring as much liquor and booze as you want, but we all know they won't be putting a microscope in your cooler, and they won't be checking every single wristband going into onsite camping. I'm definitely not condoning it, but ultimately it's not gonna hurt anyone as long as your camp is still set up offsite. It's the reality of the matter.

I could stand corrected, but I think everyone should just chill out, and whatever happens happens. We are just beating a dead horse. Just focus on the good time, because even if you can't go back to your buddies tent, you can still hang out in the concert field for 14+ hours a day.

7 Days. Wahoooo

[itrainmonkeys]

Jun 24, 2010 10:34:25 GMT -5 vincheese said:

I could stand corrected, but I think everyone should just chill out, and whatever happens happens. We are just beating a dead horse. Just focus on the good time, because even if you can't go back to your buddies tent, you can still hang out in the concert field for 14+ hours a day.

[hmriley]

There will be camping one mile from the Oxford fair ground. There will be NO camp fires bring own grils. 6 Jenny Lane off of webberbrook road. The price will be $25.00 a night for camping. 10.00 a day for parking your car. for more information call [phone]

[slacha64]

This was posted on Facebook today around noon.
Very interesting! Hopefully it all works out.

Danielle Mashtare "I have Onsite Camping & when my Boyfriend went to buy a pass they were Sold out! I looked everywhere for one and our last resort was to get offsite camping=( We are coming form Ny & I was wondering if it would be possible for him to sleep in my tent? It wouldn't be another tent being set up or more people. Would this be possible?"

Nateva Maine
"If you come on Thursday or early Friday morning I would try to address it at the gate. You might be able to upgrade your offsite camping to onsite camping for a $20 fee, assuming you enter with an onsite camper who agrees to let you camp in their assigned spot. We are working on this plan now."

[joker]

Jun 27, 2010 15:36:35 GMT -5 slacha64 said:

This was posted on Facebook today around noon.
Very interesting! Hopefully it all works out.

Danielle Mashtare "I have Onsite Camping & when my Boyfriend went to buy a pass they were Sold out! I looked everywhere for one and our last resort was to get offsite camping=( We are coming form Ny & I was wondering if it would be possible for him to sleep in my tent? It wouldn't be another tent being set up or more people. Would this be possible?"

Nateva Maine
"If you come on Thursday or early Friday morning I would try to address it at the gate. You might be able to upgrade your offsite camping to onsite camping for a $20 fee, assuming you enter with an onsite camper who agrees to let you camp in their assigned spot. We are working on this plan now."

Wow, I hope they aren't going to go back on their word when they said only 7000 on-site campers?

This has all the makings of a royal clusterfvck. How many more will they let in? 10? 100? 1000? 3000? What if they say they have 2 friends who are going to share the same tent? Or 5 friends?

Why further crowd the original 7000 who purchased their tickets on time after being told there would be a set limit?

At $20 a person I can see some serious extra cash being made at the expense of those who bought their tickets early.