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Post by elk42 on Jul 6, 2010 21:18:53 GMT -5
good im glad your "Fam" isn't coming in the future, you headier-than-thou GDF douches give the dead a bad name. i had a fudgein blast and thought it was an amazing festival.
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Post by pimpmcgeorge on Jul 6, 2010 21:26:37 GMT -5
If you guys think this festival was even kind of good you ought to check out The Gathering Of The Vibes. They know how to do it right and put out a quality festival. I really would not have gone to this event had Furthur not played. You guys missed out on all the fun the Deadefamily brings. Like I said before they demand and expect the best. The fans didn't come because the festival was run improperly and is no match for GOTV or ROO or All Good or Poconos or even something little like Camp Bisco. No Match at all. Ehhhh I have checked out Vibes, as well as Roo and All Good. I had a great time at Roo last year, but mostly b/c I'm a huge Phish fan and I rolled in an RV. All Good didn't really do it for me and I thought it was a little too wooked out for my liking. Went to Vibes last year...won't even go into that, b/c it's been talked about ad nauseum. Nateva, for a first year festy, was an awesome time, in my humble opinion, and was more chill, in terms of the people there, than any other festival I've been to, except for 10KLF (Minnesota folk are the best). I hope they keep Nateva at or around the same size and put together another strong lineup for 2011. If so, I'll definitely be there. I understand your frustration to some extent, but to say that Nateva is "no match at all" for Roo, All Good and Vibes is a little ridiculous. |
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Post by moondancer on Jul 7, 2010 7:14:19 GMT -5
I'm with welting on this one. I had a great time. My husband had a great time. My daughter, who experienced her first music festival, had a great time. Nearly everyone I spoke to was having a great time. Yes, I heard a few people complaining about the security, but I didn't hear a lot of complaints over the weekend. It was a first year festival, there were bound to be issues. It's to be expected that there will be a few problems. I was very happy with the way the festival was run and had no problems with security checkpoints getting into the concert area. The general consensus from everyone I have talked to is that they enjoyed Nateva very much and will be happily attending again next year. I know my family will be there!
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Post by idio on Jul 7, 2010 8:03:30 GMT -5
If you guys think this festival was even kind of good you ought to check out The Gathering Of The Vibes. They know how to do it right and put out a quality festival. I really would not have gone to this event had Furthur not played. You guys missed out on all the fun the Deadefamily brings. Like I said before they demand and expect the best. The fans didn't come because the festival was run improperly and is no match for GOTV or ROO or All Good or Poconos or even something little like Camp Bisco. No Match at all. I will be at Vibes this year with a keen eye... Last year with the nitrous *everywhere* and the dude dying - honestly, that harshed my mellow just a bit  As far as comparing it to Roo - it's really apples and oranges at this point. I haven't been to the others but I have heard All Good and Bisco are sketchville with lots and lots of spunions everywhere. Going back to your point about the holding pen / lot - I was parked there. Had a fantastic view of the Hannafords - also had easy access to cheap ice, water, booze, whatever since it's a massive supermarket!  I never heard anyone complain about the location either in my group or in conversations of those around me. I saw one group in the row across from us get the the boot for, basically, possession of about 600 balloons. They weren't selling nitrous - so I dont know if they sold it a different shows or if they were running a tank somewhere else... I did see a few security agents walking around (you can see the walkie talkie thing on their shoulders) but they werent hassling anyone... never saw cops patrolling, but they were parked up by the "amnesty box". I could see how being camped directly across from them would suck...  |
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Post by deadfam on Jul 7, 2010 11:22:51 GMT -5
Again I appreciate the responses. I do give my compliments on the fact that there was a lack of nitrous. People just get so stupid on laughing gas so without that element there, I thought was a great thing. On the other hand if some liked being camped with a short walk for cheap ice and pizza hut that's cool. I wouldn't have been happy but I get the easy access for grocerys and all. I drove in from out of state prepared with food ice coolers and so on. I wanted to again point out that I am welcoming other points of view wether they agree with me or not. One that was pointed out is that GOTV did have a casuality. I've always stayed clear from nitrous and drugs. I don't stroll down those paths which are easy to avoid as you can see them from a mile away. As far as The Dead Family giving Furthur a bad name is a pretty ignorant statement. The Furthur scene has been a pretty clean one all this year especially in comparison to previous years when Phish wasn't touring. As far us being holier than thou We just expect Hi Quality Sound and if you think about the GD history it's always been that way. They want the highest quality sound and nothing less...Why, because that's the way they roll...and they care for our ears.
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Post by armedaneian on Jul 7, 2010 12:01:43 GMT -5
Wow  I didn't notice any of the "problems". I actually thought the sound was better than at Roo or Roth. I can hear other stages in the background at those festies, but I didn't have that problem here.  Maybe it's the half full/ half empty thing. Some see nothing but problems and some see nothing but clean vibes. (or is it a karma thing... some have it coming and others don't ) As for all the "family" talk, who made you our spokesperson? How many festivals or Dead shows have you attended? How old are you? To me, it sounds like you should be running your own commercial free event. Since you can do everything better, I may not even have to pre-approve you before our GD Family attends!   |
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Post by deadfam on Jul 7, 2010 12:04:10 GMT -5
@ elk2
Just to let you know the dead family did not show up to Nateva although they originally had planned on it. Except for about 20 of us who were there to scope it out. So , they weren't there. The statement of us not coming back next year is also ignorant because I have already stated that it was a small group of us that attended (about 20 or so.) but again, except for the 20 of us nobody from the Furthur tour bothered to go mostly of the complaints that I have already stated. No hard feelings to you or anyone and I am really glad for all that did have a good time. truly and I hope too see everyone who may be going to GOTV or other festivals that have a better sound package. cheers and good times
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Post by deadfam on Jul 7, 2010 12:30:52 GMT -5
@ Armedanien
I don't see a male or female icon so I will first say nice to meet you brother or sister. I have been doing shows and festivals since 1986 and know most of the brothers and sisters who are currently touring and have known them for a long time. I was asked to compile these complaints. Nothing bad happened to anyone I know but the security problems that I've listed did happen to other random people. Maybe they deserved it or not. I will be rejoining the tour. maybe I will see you at Allgood or GOTV.
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Post by jnewton on Jul 7, 2010 13:13:19 GMT -5
I'd like to jump in here as well. I arrived at the site at about 7pm on Thursday evening and into the holding pen where after a few minutes my wife and I realized we would be there for a while, so we got out, cracked a few beers and began our festival. We were at our campsite by about 9:30 to set up. I will say the one thing I would complain was the lack of control and direction of the cars getting to the gate. It was quite the clusterf*@k. That needs to be addressed. Also when we did get to the gate, we were apologized to at least 7 times for the wait.
That said, I cannot complain about much else. I will say the assigned camping spots were in fact small, but we were lucky enough to be among some people that knew where to land and it all worked out. We had a great spot. I did not see a single person get harassed getting into the Maine stage area, and I had come and gone through there several times. I will say there were a few bloopers with the sound system, but nothing that stood out to me to stand on a soap box and declare a refund. I also am into high-end audio gear, so yes, I do know what bad sound can do to a show.
Immaculate. At one point on Saturday night I stopped at an intersection and realized I could see almost no trash anywhere. I was overly impressed with Clean Vibes. They did a tremendous job keeping our festival clean. The porta-potties were also very clean. I only came across a few that were less than desirable, but that is to be expected.
I actually stopped at a gate on day 2 to ask the guard there how everything was going. She was very happy to hear that I was interested and said that as far as she knew, everything was going really well and then spoke about how great it was for the community.
I just want to say Thanks to Nateva. The people who had a positive experience outweigh the negative few. I did not see a sad face all weekend. Oh yeah, and I have proper grammar.
Here's to many years to come!
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Post by crixtala on Jul 7, 2010 13:35:53 GMT -5
I'm about as far from a sound guru as it gets... but I can understand all the complaints about the sound. I give the festival a bit of a pass on this issue seeing as how it's a first year fest and they really have no idea of how things are going to sound together (acoustically and so forth)... but for them to still be having issues with the equipment come Sunday? I was a little baffled by that. Hopefully they'll figure out and work out the kinks for future festivals.
It was a big endeavor, and they worked hard to keep things moving and correct issues as they arose... that's commendable. I just hope they take what happened this year, learn from it and put forth a better product in the future.
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Post by Nizzy on Jul 7, 2010 14:20:06 GMT -5
Maybe it was the near suicidal level of drunken revelry within the small crew I knew there but the only complaint I had about the sound was the lack of mid-field speakers (which yes they were over-powering the speakers to correct for but whatever, it's a live gig - sometimes you just have to deal with what you have). That's really not something they can reasonably fix overnight, certainly not on a holiday weekend.
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Post by djinnandjuice on Jul 7, 2010 20:25:51 GMT -5
@ Admin I said this already but in hindsight I'm thinking the gates didn't open until after 6:00. As I said I was there well before 4:00. I'm not sure how you got special privelages such as having your camp site set up at 5:00 and immaculate outhouses ALL weekend and a no flood zone. I paid my 246 and 20 my early bird fee and the 35 dollar car fee so how did you get in so early? Really I want to know I got to holding at 3 PM and was completely set up by 5:45 |
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Post by djinnandjuice on Jul 7, 2010 20:47:54 GMT -5
I also don't see to much action here accept from the mods. I think most people are dissapointed because the only new posts I've seen have been a complaint on the handicapped ramp and my very legit and true complaints. How does that reasoning work? You don't see anyone saying much, good or bad, so you assume they were mostly disappointed? You like GOTV so much, stop by their forum after the fest, pretty much any year, and check out the level of griping. In my opinion, other than a few minor snags that can easily be fixed, I feel Nateva delivered on what it promised. They delivered on a big promise, keeping the NO2 out, something Ken has been promising to do at Vibes for half a decade at least, yet has not managed to deliver on. If you experienced any inappropriate action on the part of security, or any staff, then you need to file a formal complaint. If an officer has complaints against him/her, any worthwhile company will investigate. The problem with these instances is that people talk about them on forums like this, but never formally follow-up. I know if I were Frank, or the manager at the security firm, I would definitely want to know if someone representing me and my venture was displaying such conduct so I could address it. That's the true test, not that snafus occur, because they always will, but what is done to respond to the snafus. |
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Post by deadfam on Jul 8, 2010 9:08:32 GMT -5
djinnandjuice but for all to read I do agree with you on the nitrous as mentioned before in a different posting. Yes GOTV fails in that area year after year. I really didn't sign up to post about every little issue. Believe me there were others that aren't worth my time to post about. As far as entrance goes, I'm not sure why I was told by security that the gates were'nt open yet when according to these postings they were. I believe you guys more than the security. Many things were brought up for discussion such as immaculate outhouses and so on. For me I expect a few outhouses to be disgusting but I found that most were pretty bad most every time I needed one. These things aren't big issues for me. The biggest is the sound was aweful. I feel cheated that such a great line up was served up in a used dog food dish. We and the bands deserved a pro sound package. I feel the ticket price warranted a quality system and not the garbage P.A. that was provided. The sound package that was provided is designed for beginner bands. Security was disrespectful and I may file a complaint as you suggested. 2 points in partciular was innapropriate searching and harrasment, The other would be the unsafe usage of the golf carts. Namaste and peace
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Post by crixtala on Jul 8, 2010 9:37:14 GMT -5
The other would be the unsafe usage of the golf carts. I unfortunately witnessed this as well... We were walking around to the farther entrance (right of the stages) during The Flaming Lips because we were just checking out campsites, the Nateva sign, etc. when this golf cart comes flying up past us and slams on their brakes and turn in/slide towards another guy just walking down the road by himself. As he jumped back, startled (probably worse depending on his current state of mind) they start hassling him about wristbands and him showing them his. Dude sheepishly shows his wristband, which was clearly visible the whole time to begin with since he was wearing a short sleeved t-shirt, and they just continue barking orders at him while they get back on their cart and speed off again. |
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Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 8, 2010 9:43:19 GMT -5
The other would be the unsafe usage of the golf carts. I unfortunately witnessed this as well... We were walking around to the farther entrance (right of the stages) during The Flaming Lips because we were just checking out campsites, the Nateva sign, etc. when this golf cart comes flying up past us and slams on their brakes and turn in/slide towards another guy just walking down the road by himself. As he jumped back, startled (probably worse depending on his current state of mind) they start hassling him about wristbands and him showing them his. Dude sheepishly shows his wristband, which was clearly visible the whole time to begin with since he was wearing a short sleeved t-shirt, and they just continue barking orders at him while they get back on their cart and speed off again. They were checking wristbands (even ones that were clearly visible) because a handful of people were taking clippings and pieces of other's wristbands and taping them together and sneaking into the festival for free. The driver of that particular cart should have been a little more careful but again this sounds like the case of an individual (or individuals) who were less than careful while driving the carts and not the festival as a whole. I know i've almost been hit by golf carts at other festivals because the drivers were speeding around. |
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Post by crixtala on Jul 8, 2010 9:56:09 GMT -5
I unfortunately witnessed this as well... We were walking around to the farther entrance (right of the stages) during The Flaming Lips because we were just checking out campsites, the Nateva sign, etc. when this golf cart comes flying up past us and slams on their brakes and turn in/slide towards another guy just walking down the road by himself. As he jumped back, startled (probably worse depending on his current state of mind) they start hassling him about wristbands and him showing them his. Dude sheepishly shows his wristband, which was clearly visible the whole time to begin with since he was wearing a short sleeved t-shirt, and they just continue barking orders at him while they get back on their cart and speed off again. They were checking wristbands (even ones that were clearly visible) because a handful of people were taking clippings and pieces of other's wristbands and taping them together and sneaking into the festival for free. The driver of that particular cart should have been a little more careful but again this sounds like the case of an individual (or individuals) who were less than careful while driving the carts and not the festival as a whole. I know i've almost been hit by golf carts at other festivals because the drivers were speeding around. Oh yeah, I completely understand WHAT they were doing, it was just the manner in which they were doing it. I've almost been hit by carts numerous times, but not in the manner of almost being run over because the driver was clearly aiming for me. I know the festival as a whole can't take the blame for a lot of the issues, but to me it seemed like there were a lot more people on power trips than weren't... when that becomes the case, things may need to be re-evaluated. I'm sure I'm definitely in the minority, but it just seemed like most of the weekend I was surrounded by strange vibes. It didn't help that three of our neighbors were booted on Friday already... which probably attracted unfair/unwanted attention from security to our section the rest of the weekend, but what can you do? |
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Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 8, 2010 10:06:06 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I completely understand WHAT they were doing, it was just the manner in which they were doing it. I've almost been hit by carts numerous times, but not in the manner of almost being run over because the driver was clearly aiming for me. Yea....I wasn't there so don't know the specifics of your incident. That sounds kinda dangerous and hopefully won't happen much (or anymore) in the future. Good point. Maybe if a lot of people write e-mails and facebook posts voicing their concerns (while not outright bashing the festival) then they can work on fixing the problems with overzealous security. There were some strange vibes. Nateva stated on Facebook that they had security going through some camp sites because a woman had gone missing and they were trying to find her and worried for their safety....but I know that there were a few reports of security looking around campsites and I don't think they were ALL looking for this missing woman. There was definitely an increased presence in some areas and it could contribute to strange vibes. I just know that I had awesome neighbors and met great people which all contributed to good vibes for my experience and I was never hassled by security.....even when hitting a pipe and seeing two big security guys walk through our camp site. I didn't complain about them walking through because I was camped next to a fence on pottle road and saw MANY things being snuck in (including people) so it makes sense that they'd check near my site. To be honest.....I was a little more sketched out by the weird handoffs I saw going on over the fence then I was about a security guard walking around. But like I said....I wasn't hassled for enjoying a puff or two. |
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Post by deadfam on Jul 22, 2010 22:35:36 GMT -5
@ Hennyman. As I Posted before Which you nust've failed to read is that I Did stand corrected. What happened was a Security Guard had ignorantly but with authority told me that the gates hadn't opened yet but at that piont indeed WAS actually opened. Yes I have moved on long before I read your suggestion and have attended AllGood and a few other shows that have been presented properly with rightous security and sound. Still I think refunds should be in order. Most agree wether they have posted or not the sound and security sucked at Nateva. The promoters should have started small for their first festival. It was amateur hour all weekend long and I didn't appreciate the expensive ticket and These bands being presented this way. Mark My Words... Furthur will not play for Mr. Chandler again. Neither will George Clinton. I hope to see y'all in Bridgeport.
Namaste
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I never heard anyone complain about the location either in my group or in conversations of those around me.
I didn't notice any of the "problems". I actually thought the sound was better than at Roo or Roth. I can hear other stages in the background at those festies, but I didn't have that problem here. 
Maybe it's the half full/ half empty thing. Some see nothing but problems and some see nothing but clean vibes. (or is it a karma thing... some have it coming and others don't 
