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Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 8, 2010 15:42:36 GMT -5
I believe it is in our rights to say "please acquire a search warrant to look in my wallet". That itself is not probable cause. That may be true out in public. But I'm pretty sure when we buy tickets we are giving our consent to search us and our property. The same way they are allowed to search our car and pat down our pants, i'd imagine it's the same for wallets. I can't remember exactly what it said on the back of the ticket stub (they never gave ours back when getting wristbands  ) but i'm pretty sure that it says something about searching us and our property. Can anyone who has a ticket stub check what the disclaimer on the back says and post it up? Either as a picture or typed message? That said....touching someone's groin when doing the searches is wrong and definitely a bit much Anyone who feels violated should definitely contact someone at Nateva and make them aware of the situation. |
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Post by veroni on Jul 8, 2010 20:39:37 GMT -5
I bet you the guy that had the 1000 hits of acid bought a sheet from one of the vendors selling the blotter art. Then the secruity saw that and took him away. I'm curious riser if he even got charged with anything. They probably sent it to get tested either way but that would be hilstarical if it was just the blotter art don't you think?
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Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 8, 2010 20:50:35 GMT -5
I bet you the guy that had the 1000 hits of acid bought a sheet from one of the vendors selling the blotter art. Then the secruity saw that and took him away. I'm curious riser if he even got charged with anything. They probably sent it to get tested either way but that would be hilstarical if it was just the blotter art don't you think? I bought a blotter art Homer Simpson.......my mom thought it was a jigsaw puzzle. |
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Post by Dexxy on Jul 8, 2010 22:06:38 GMT -5
I bet you the guy that had the 1000 hits of acid bought a sheet from one of the vendors selling the blotter art. Then the secruity saw that and took him away. I'm curious riser if he even got charged with anything. They probably sent it to get tested either way but that would be hilstarical if it was just the blotter art don't you think? I doubt this.. I saw some people with absurd amounts of white on white in their wallets.. possibly the same guy they took down, he was pretty out of it. Def. not blotter art, just uncut blotter paper w/ no design |
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Post by veroni on Jul 8, 2010 22:20:52 GMT -5
Did he have dreads and look to be in his 40s?
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Post by mattinthehat on Jul 9, 2010 15:42:56 GMT -5
Although I thoroughly enjoyed everything else about the fest, the security situation was Way over the top! For background, I live an hour away and drove back and forth on Sat. and Sun. Sat I pulled up to the checkpoint at the speedway, the guy asked whether I was camping or just parking. I said just parking so he let me through. They were only searching campers, which is the way it should be. They have no business searching a vehicle that is not entering a camping area. So I hopped a bus and got to the gate near the stage (although you had to walk 400 yards to go 100 to get to the stage. Logistics? I get to the security station, and they ask to look in my pouch, give me a cursory pat down, and off I go. Same deal entering the main field/stage area. All in all tolerable. Then I show up on Sunday. Talk about night and day. From friendly and respectful security to all-out police state. First, This time they completely search my vehicle (but not very effectively, thank God). Next stop, the gate. They make me dump my pouch, then the guy says "empty your pockets" I said "excuse me?" He reiterated, so I complied. Then a much more intrusive pat down. Fortunately, he didn't touch you-know what, or he would have been on the ground and I would have been cuffed. He tried to make light of this BS after wards, but it was too late for that. Then, I walk the 300 yards to enter the main area, and I go through more of this crap. That's 3 searches in less than 30 minutes. If you think that is reasonable, you will make a great little comrade down the road. I however, call it inexcusable.
By the way, for those of you who do not live in Maine, we decriminalized pot eons ago. Possession of less than an ounce and a half a CIVIL offense, punishable by a fine. No arrest, no cuffs, no jail. You get a ticket, you pay your fine, Period. Now I understand that if you are standing at a checkpoint, and you drop a bag and a bowl on the table, the security person is in a rough spot when there are 2 Paris cops standing 10 feet
away. That is why, if you are a promoter, and you care about your customers, you DON'T have them dump pockets and open wallets. It is just not right to hassle harmless stoners hoping for a nice mellow weekend. The big fear was nitrous, that should have been the focus. Making a couple immediately pack up their gear and leave for a tiny bag of weed is BS!!!! Not to mention hypocritical as hell. I saw at least 3, possibly 4 vendors selling pipes. One vendor had nothing but pipes and bongs. What are those for, decoration?
Sorry to go off so hard, but every time I think about this my blood boils. It ruined what was otherwise one of the best weekends ever. I ran into an old friend that I hadn't seen in years, and I made new friends too, if only for a brief time. Everything was just about perfect, until the roust. I was planning to do the whole VIP, RV w/hookup thing next year, but not now. I will not come at all unless Frank personally comes on this board and promises that that crap will not happen next year.
Peace.
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Post by caitikitten on Jul 9, 2010 17:10:28 GMT -5
I thought security was decent, I never really had a hard time because our camp was maybe 100 feet from the side entrance, so most of the time we didn't even bring a stash in.
The biggest bummer was the first time we went through with full, open water bottles and were told we'd have to empty them- but we ended up being happy to have chugged both bottles of crisp cold water. =)
I did find it strange that on Sunday, the blonde girl you seem to be speaking of asked me straight-out if I was carrying marijuana and that they'd confiscate it if they found it, but that it wasn't "for them"... She caught me off-guard about it, but she didn't find any.
We also brought bikes thinking we'd be able to ride them around, but we were fine with locking them up outside the gate... and were even able to ride them to our campsite Sunday night so we wouldn't have to mess around in a crowd Monday morning!
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Post by caitikitten on Jul 9, 2010 17:18:15 GMT -5
Oh, what was the deal with the cops towing that RV Friday morning near the Thunder Lodge? Someone said there was a group of people partying too hard or something?
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Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 10, 2010 21:33:57 GMT -5
from Nateva facebook page:
we will definitely address these security issues in the future
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Post by idio on Jul 12, 2010 16:28:38 GMT -5
this thread is confusing.
drugs are illegal. you are mad because the drugs you had in your possession were not safeguarded in a way that made it hard for security to find them.
then, when caught, you are surprised that security confiscates them or otherwise takes action.
do you think that Nateva somehow got a dispensation from Maine to allow all drugs all weekend long?
do you think that a music festival is somehow exempt from the law?
note: i am very much against the war on drugs and could care less what you do, lest it negatively impact my life. i just dont understand all the grouseing about security...you know, doing their jobs.
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Post by Nizzy on Jul 14, 2010 9:29:10 GMT -5
Because COMMUNISUM!(sic)
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Post by kincade on Jul 14, 2010 10:07:11 GMT -5
this thread is confusing. drugs are illegal. you are mad because the drugs you had in your possession were not safeguarded in a way that made it hard for security to find them. then, when caught, you are surprised that security confiscates them or otherwise takes action. do you think that Nateva somehow got a dispensation from Maine to allow all drugs all weekend long? do you think that a music festival is somehow exempt from the law? note: i am very much against the war on drugs and could care less what you do, lest it negatively impact my life. i just dont understand all the grouseing about security...you know, doing their jobs. the gripes are not so much about them doing their jobs. The gripes are about heavy handed tactics used, certain security personal abusing power, going overboard in searching (wallets and skirt lifts by non-same sex security have been mentioned here). A pat down should not equal a feel up! I can say that I would have felt just as safe knowing that security was not searching any wallets (perhaps even safer, cause then I wouldn't have as bad feeling/karma from the security guys!) Someone (either here, on facebook, or both) reported that security patted down their 5 year old!!! Security is really there to keep us safe, and to keep non-tickets holders out. They shouldn't be there to shakedown folks personal use items. Security at a fest should not feel like they are the prison guards and we are inmates entering the day courtyard. It should feel like we are entering Disney World (which has MEGA security, but does not hassle the average person entering the park). As I said, I don't mind a quick pat down and a metal detector wand wave, but I do not like when security gets any more extreme than that. It is a concert we are attending, we are not in an airport. That all said, I am glad to see they responded on FaceBook that they are looking into security procedures for next year. |
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Post by armedaneian on Jul 14, 2010 10:22:32 GMT -5
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Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 14, 2010 12:27:41 GMT -5
the gripes are not so much about them doing their jobs. The gripes are about heavy handed tactics used, certain security personal abusing power, going overboard in searching (wallets and skirt lifts by non-same sex security have been mentioned here). A pat down should not equal a feel up! I agree with everything here, except for the searching wallets. I really don't see the problem with searching wallets. It's the same as searching a bag or searching pockets. It's something you have that could carry/conceal something that's not allowed and by going to a festival we know we will get searched. Going through wallets is not that big of a deal. Why? I don't understand that. If they weren't searching wallets....you would feel safer? I don't see what one has to do with the other. Unfortunate....but some (bad) parents have used their kids to sneak things into concerts and festivals in the past. I also think Nateva stated that they found something on someone's child but I'm not 100% on that. I'd like to point out that Nateva has stated that the Maine D.E.A. asked no permission to be at the festival and so some of the problems with "shaking down personal use items" may not be related to the security that Nateva used. Disney also doesn't have to worry about thousands of people using/selling drugs (which are illegal and potentially dangerous). Every time I went into the venue all I got was a quick pat down. Others seem to be less fortunate, but still....they didn't strip search people, they didn't ask to remove shoes, etc. Asking to look in your wallet (which I still feel is no different then asking to look in your bag) is not extreme at all. Especially if you're not sneaking things into the venue in your wallet. One thing that NEEDS to be fixed is the inappropriate / non-same-sex searches where some people claimed they were felt up. That should not be happening. As am I. |
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Post by kincade on Jul 14, 2010 15:52:22 GMT -5
I guess wallets, imho, is that first step that takes it over 'the line' for me. Anything I can hide in a wallet, I could hide elsewhere (example: underpants) so what/who/where/when do folks draw the line and say enough is enough where it goes from a simple concert security search to an intrusive search and entry process.
To me, wallet doesn't = the same as a bag search. I do not keep all my valuables (money, IDs, Credit Cards, my kids photos, tickets, receipts, bank statements, etc...) in my bag, these are personal items kept in a safe and personal place (my wallet).
Question: at what point, if any, do you (you meaning anyone posting in the thread, not just ITM) think a simple search to go onto a concert field crosses a line into being intrusive/overboard? (obviously for me, it is asking me to physically hand over my wallet and the having someone going through it).
The act of security searching wallets did not add to my feeling of safety.
The fact that security searched wallets made me not like security, detracting from my feeling of them and the safety the are there to provide (if I already didn't like them due to what I felt was intrusive searching, I would be less likely to go to them to report something, etc...). (Real life example: If a cop is known to be a prick in the community and searches folks without probable cause, etc... I will avoid him at all costs, if a cop is nice, then I am more likely to interact, smile and wave to or even befriend him).
again, this is the needle in a haystack search. Some bad parents in the past used their underwear to sneak things into festivals in the past, but we do not search everyone who has underwear.
If that kid story happened at Nateva, I hope they followed up and that the child is no longer with those parents. I doubt that it did happen though, cause that would have been a HUGE headline in the papers, especially that one that reported the hill was muddy, the proper permits were not signed, etc... They wouldn't have let that slide under their Nateva hating radar!
Ok, I'll agree to that to a point, but some of the stories in this thread and facebook mention security that didn't sound like they were also cops from the reported actions and comments.
Disney just came to mind cause like Nateva, it is one of the happiest places on earth! (as well as having to process many people into a secured gated area) and entering the gates of each place should be a positive part of the experience.
Should Nateva 'worry about' the thousands of people using, or just the small percentage selling. And (devils advocate) come to think of it, why are camping areas treated differently (no wallet searching), than on the concert field. Seems like one place should be treated the same as the other, it is all one big Nateva festival after all. Drugs (if that is a concern of the searching process, and it appears to be since wallets were being searched) are not more dangerous in one of the places (concert field) than the other (camp areas).
This mirrors my experience, but, as I mentioned earlier, IMHO taking my wallet from me and going through it is the straw that breaks my search camels back. To me, it is more akin to asking me to take off my shoes, or clothing, or to step into one of the new fancy airport x-ray machines that show private parts, etc... than it is to patting down my pockets and waving a metal detector over me (which my search camel deems to be OK).
Side note: I do not hide illegal things in my wallet, I just keep very valuable things in it.
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Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 14, 2010 16:32:26 GMT -5
Let's say you DID keep all of those valuables in a bag....specifically in one section of that bag. What would be the difference of them looking in that section as opposed to the wallet? The only difference I see is that one is smaller and you can hold it/put it in your pocket.
Personally, I don't mind being patted down. And i'm not just talking about a guy tapping on my cargo shorts pockets. I'm talking checking my pockets, patting down the whole leg (if wearing pants....you can easily hide a weapon in high socks or on your leg), and even lifting up the bottom of my pants to see there's nothing obviously sticking out (again, weapons or whatever in high socks). I don't mind a metal detector. I don't mind them searching anything I bring in (bag, wallet, camera, cigarette case).
If I was told to remove articles of clothing or if I was rubbed/touched inappropriately then that's crossing the line.....but everybody's different.
That's a good example....but you're using one or two security guards abusing their authority and automatically applying your dislike of those individuals to EVERY security guard there and that's totally unfair. What you're doing is like (to use your example again) if a cop is known to be a prick in the community and search folks and you hate him....then you hate all the cops in the community because of that one cop.
A few bad security guards =\= All Security Guards are bad
You're right....because even Nateva (and every other concert/festival) knows that searching someone's underwear like that is definitely crossing the line.
Finding 1,000 hits of acid in one guys wallet leading to the security at the venue looking in wallets doesn't seem that unreasonable though...especially if you're not hiding anything in there.
Again, I'm not totally sure if that really happened. I may be mixing that up with a different news story, or someone's personal story from another experience. The news site/paper that covered the hill and proper permits story actual wrote corrections about their misinformed stories and also a few very positive stories about Nateva so they aren't out to get them. It was just one reporter with bad fact-checking.
They were worrying about the small percentage selling, as evidenced by the people who have stated they were able to enjoy personal use without hassle. I just meant Disney doesn't have to deal with that type of scene.
The searches to get into the camping areas (the pedestrian gate off Pottle Road) were much more thorough then most of the searches to get into the venue. That was mainly because there was offsite and day pass people coming in that way and those people didn't get the initial car search that onsite campers got.
Also, like I said, they only started searching wallets on the last day after they found 1,000 hits of acid in one guys wallet. Not everybody got their wallets searched and it was probably done as a way to calm down local police/DEA following the big bust of a ton of acid.
True. But go to almost any festival and you'll see that there is always a search before entering the main concert venue. Bonnaroo, Mountain Jam, Nateva, etc. It's just the way it is.
I guess we just disagree because I fail to see how taking off shoes and disrobing is the same as looking in an object that can be used to carry/sneak something in. Again, I feel the need to mention that they found a ton of acid in someone's wallet and that possibly led to the increased security search.
Then what's the big problem? You had nothing to worry about. You seem more concerned with what might happen if searches get too intense then the actual searches that went on. If they had people disrobing at the venue gates then I'd be on your side saying that they are violating people and crossing the line. But looking in a wallet for a few extra seconds? To me it's not a problem.
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Post by kincade on Jul 14, 2010 17:11:37 GMT -5
My issue with this is that in order to find the 1000 hits of acid in a wallet, they must have already been searching wallets. Finding the acid wasn't the catalyst that started the wallet searching, instead it was a result of having wallets being searched prior to them discovering it. (I am not buying into the theory that the guy opened his wallet on his own and the guards saw acid and then started searching wallets. My theory is that they started to search wallets, and then they found the acid in one of the ones they searched) To me, they can have my shoes all they want (and I would argue that a shoe is just as, if not more popular of a way to sneak items into a venue than a wallet), my issue with my wallet is that it contains all my valuables and personal items, which I guess puts it into a different category for me. this is interesting to think on. I think a bag is less 'personal' to me than a wallet, so I object less to them looking into it (plus, I already expect bags to get looked through as they can hide beers, weapons, etc...). That said, ff I did see them unzip the 'valuables' pocket within the bag, I would probably say something in objection and/or warn them that it contains all my valuables. However, when I do have a bag with me, it is usually a cursory glace/feel of the bag and not an intense search where they unzip every nook and cranny of the bag. That said, I wouldn't keep the stuff in a bag that I do my wallet as I cannot keep the bag on my person at all times like I can a wallet. that is a good example as well I guess for me, at a festival, I think a pat down, bag check and wristband check is what it should be (I have been seeing festivals for 14 years now, since the Grateful Dead ended). Make sure I am there legally (wristband) and that I have no beer or weapons (pocket pat and bag check), then let me happily enter and dance like a fool  |
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Post by kincade on Jul 14, 2010 17:22:38 GMT -5
I hope I am not coming off as argumentative (or a pain in the ass  ). At this point, I think this is more of a good topic of conversation/debate (the whole when does searching cross the line to different individuals) than a Nateva specific item (even though Nateva is the specific fest we are talking about, my opinions is how I feel on all fests) ITM, should I see you at the next Nateva (or a show before then), first beer is on me!
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Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 14, 2010 17:29:34 GMT -5
My issue with this is that in order to find the 1000 hits of acid in a wallet, they must have already been searching wallets. Finding the acid wasn't the catalyst that started the wallet searching, instead it was a result of having wallets being searched prior to them discovering it. (I am not buying into the theory that the guy opened his wallet on his own and the guards saw acid and then started searching wallets. My theory is that they started to search wallets, and then they found the acid in one of the ones they searched) Or the guy was selling acid in the campgrounds, got caught and when they searched him (because he was caught red-handed) they found his stash in his wallet. When people complained about wallet searches on Facebook Nateva made it clear that they found tons of acid in a dealer's wallet. They did not say that he opened it willingly at the gate or that they were searching wallets and he stupidly got caught. No.....I think it's entirely possible that they just caught someone selling and upon a search of that person they found the hits in his wallet. Why is that so hard to believe? What do you think will happen to those valuables and personal items? They didn't take your wallet and go to a secret location and look through and take a few things. I'm assuming they just looked through it with you standing right there. Did they break anything or steal anything? Well you definitely have more experience then myself. I definitely would agree that the searches should always be like that. Personally that describes every search/check that I experienced at Nateva but it's clear that others had more difficult times, which kinda sucks. But I don't blame the festival really.....it's more that there are a few bad apples who are either taking their job too seriously or abusing authority or something along those lines. Kinda sucks but i've seen it that way at almost every show/concert/whatever i've been to. Mostly cool guys with a few people that you wish weren't there. |
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Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 14, 2010 17:33:15 GMT -5
I hope I am not coming off as argumentative (or a pain in the ass ). At this point, I think this is more of a good topic of conversation/debate (the whole when does searching cross the line to different individuals) than a Nateva specific item (even though Nateva is the specific fest we are talking about, my opinions is how I feel on all fests) ITM, should I see you at the next Nateva (or a show before then), first beer is on me! No worries at all dude. I'm enjoying the discussion. You also helped me kill some time while I was at work . This forum is gonna be pretty dead next year's festival anyway so it's always good to keep the posting up. But yea, I totally don't take it as argumentative or being a pain in the ass and hope that you don't take my responses that way either. I know how message boards and online talk can sometimes be misinterpreted as being angry or whatever and I'm just enjoying the back and forth discussion. We can both agree that inappropriate searches and intense security were downers for people which is something Nateva (and all festivals) should try to avoid. Hoping to return to Nateva for sure....but we'll see how everything looks in a few months time. Things can always change. |
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Post by armedaneian on Jul 15, 2010 8:23:16 GMT -5
I just want to add a little food for thought. It may help put this subject in perspective. Everyone loves Rothbury, right? Last year, as we were waiting for the first band of the day, I saw a security "chick" in her 20s (she looked like a punk rocker) approach a pair of women in their 40s and take their bowl. The women were shocked and left immediately. Instead of blaming Rothbury and voicing my complaints online later, I approached the security chick and started a conversation. I told her what she did was unusual at this type of event and amounted to thievery. I just wanted to know if she was following orders. She said they (security) are always supposed to take such items, but told me it was cool, because she didn't have them arrested and was going to finish the bowl after her shift! I proceeded to grouse at her for a few minutes and asked her about her conscious... whether it was clean or not. Later in the afternoon, I saw the same chick and went to apologize. I told her I shouldn't have given her a hard time for doing her job and hoped I hadn't ruined her day. She thanked me, and told me she asked for clarification from her superiors and was told to have people put away their pipes instead of confiscating them. I'm glad I approached her and started that conversation, otherwise others would have had their stuff stolen too. Excessive searches are always a possibility and things that are illegal should be handled discretely... even after entering a venue. This is certainly no reason to blame the event or flame them afterward.  |
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Post by mattinthehat on Jul 16, 2010 4:08:12 GMT -5
to: ITRAINMONKEYS:
Dude, I have to say you are showing your age here. First of all, if you had a proper education in history (which is not your fault), you would understand that this type of intrusive search and seizure crap is only the beginning of a fascist state. The fact that you readily accept it as a norm indicates that you do not grasp the ultimate implications of these types of actions.
In addition, these security people are not trained in proper security techniques, not trained in the legalities of what they are doing, and are certainly prone toward corruption, IE using confiscated drugs for their own consumption.
The fact that Frank allowed the DEA in to monitor things was a really bad idea. Put these guys in a "fish in a barrel" scenario, and they will certainly say thank you. Meanwhile, you lose droves of potential attendees for next year.
I too agree that the wallet searching started first, not the other way around. As I said in an earlier post, the security went from friendly and non-intrusive to police state in one day. The guy with the acid obviously changed things, but that is not probable cause to harass the rest of us. I agree with the previous posters that pocket and wallet searches cross the line.
As I have said before on this forum, my first concert was James Brown, in 1967 at the Portland (ME) Expo. I was 13. Since then I have been to hundreds of shows featuring national acts, and if you include local bands, the total is probably in the thousands. In all of these years, I have NEVER, ONCE, been asked to empty my pockets, or my wallet. I can tell you without hesitation that I will never do this again. My pockets, and especially my wallet, are my personal domain, and you damn well better have a warrant to look at what is in them. This is a result of the almost desperate desire to keep the nitrous crowd out, which is a noble cause. However, when you sleep with the devil (DEA), you pay the price. Like it or not, first impressions matter, and turning off untold numbers of festival goers in year one can't be a good thing for the future, especially if Rothbury returns.
What those of you who seemingly tolerate this s*** fail to realize is that we are slowly giving up our privacy rights for some sort of "common good" BS that will ultimately make us slaves to the State. If you are comfortable with that, I feel sorry for you. I, however, will never accept excessive government intrusion, and I will certainly not accept that type of activity from the security staff of a music event.
If you think I am overly paranoid, please read George Orwell's 1984. He missed it by a few years, but if you read it, you will understand.
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Post by armedaneian on Jul 16, 2010 7:30:19 GMT -5
Wow Mr. Hat... aren't you the idealist! How many of your thousands of shows were outside the state of Maine? Are you sure the DEA was even invited? Do they need to be invited or can they go anywhere the rest of us go? Did they have anything to do with the gate... and which gate? (I went in and out of the East Gate all day and was never hassled.) As a realist, I think this was a public event held in a public venue and we have to comply with the public rules, whether or not we agree with them... that's if we want to attend. But we didn't have to, and maybe your right... staying at home is the only answer! That's the only way to maintain our privacy! Or... you can accept reality and leave your private stuff at home when you go out. It was a really good show, it would have been a shame to miss it because of your "ideals". I don't think you're overly paranoid, I just think you should learn to deal with it and become smarter than "them", instead of boycotting a great event. |
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Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 16, 2010 9:13:35 GMT -5
to: ITRAINMONKEYS: Dude, I have to say you are showing your age here. First of all, if you had a proper education in history (which is not your fault), you would understand that this type of intrusive search and seizure crap is only the beginning of a fascist state. The fact that you readily accept it as a norm indicates that you do not grasp the ultimate implications of these types of actions. Dude you're blowing this way out of proportion. What's this talk of a fascist state and illegal search and seizure? We were at a music festival and security was a little tighter then some other festivals. I'm educated just fine.....just because I'm young doesn't mean i'm ignorant. Right. Just like almost every other big music festival. Frank didn't allow the DEA in. If you've read this thread or seen posts on Facebook you'd know that they weren't invited and came on their own. How can you agree to that? It's not an opinion thing. You have no way of knowing if that's what happened. I'm inclined to believe it's the opposite of what you say since there were no wallet searches Thursday, Friday, or Saturday. So clearly something changed and they started checking wallets after that. I've been going to concerts less than you and have, at times, been asked to do all of those things. Why do you assume that your experiences are the norm and that everyone else is wrong? Times have changed. It's not 1967 anymore. Personal domain? Is that a real legal thing or something you made up? Here is an example of my ignorance because I tried looking up "personal domain laws" to see if there's really such a thing. Please enlighten me to why they need a warrant to search you when you agree to be searched when you buy the ticket? Dude.....again you're blowing it out of proportion. You're using a music festival that asked to look in your wallets when entering a concert as a way to say that the government is controlling us and we area ll giving up our privacy rights. Quit acting like this is some huge governmental conspiracy or something. There's really no need to be this excessive about a few crappy security guards at a music festival. Sorry you had a crappy time, but you're taking this way too far IMO. |
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Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 16, 2010 9:27:46 GMT -5
Okay mattinthehat....i'll bite. You mentioned Rothbury (as did some others) in response to the security issues at Nateva. I just wanted to point out a few "issues" that people had with security at Rothbury last year. These are from posters over at Infobury (Rothbury message board).....many of whom I know and respect:
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Just saying........every festival....even the almighty Rothbury......gets complaints about the security and problems that individuals had/saw. So please stop acting like Nateva is crazy and that supporting Nateva has anything to do with a fascist United States.
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) but i'm pretty sure that it says something about searching us and our property.
). At this point, I think this is more of a good topic of conversation/debate (the whole when does searching cross the line to different individuals) than a Nateva specific item (even though Nateva is the specific fest we are talking about, my opinions is how I feel on all fests)