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Post by cldubsokind on Jul 6, 2010 10:37:06 GMT -5
 I was like are you serious! The girl did nothing but ask for our wallets and we were told that if we did not hand them over we would not be allowed into the main concert area! That blew my mind. My man handed over his wallet thinking she was ging to simple open it maybe check name on ID thought maybe they were looking for someone, but no she puled everything out money, credit cards, business cards then handed it back to him. He then told her " great job way to go!" lol being sarcastic. Then I approach and she does the same to me. Then asks me if I am carrying any Marijuana with me. I responded by telling her I have cancer and have a script for it, but no i do not have any on me ( It was pretty obvious I have cancer. Short hair lopsided boobs and scares all over my chest that were visible. She was then like oh sorry you can have whatever you need then let me walk away. What was the reasoning behind the wallet searches? I spoke with my friend whos a lawyer and he believes that it was unjustified and possibly illegal to force us to present our wallet, then take things out in order to gain entrance to an area that we had a right to be in. We were searched upon entering the venue. We understand the pat downs looking in bags, ect.. but the searching of just the wallet. Thats like the cops searching your purse without reasonable cause. AGain I would like to hear the reasoning behind the wallet search. Noone else got their wallets searched except us two. I guess when you look like the most sober people their you must be hiding something lol only thing we can figure.
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Post by drumlaxer on Jul 6, 2010 11:02:10 GMT -5
i completely agree, i had this happen to me to on sun night and i was not happy. they asked for my wallet, i said i didnt have one, they patted me down, went in my pocket and grabbed my money clip. they searched it and then i was asked where the weed was. i told them i didnt have any weed and they asked me again where it was. i laughed and told them to give me theirs and then i'll have some. then they let me go.
this happened only once, and it was at the main gate entrance to the right (when looking at the stage). female security, kinda young, chubby, blond hair pulled back. did you have the same one??
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Post by shirehobbits on Jul 6, 2010 11:11:08 GMT -5
My hubby got his leatherman stolen by the supervisor at the gate. My body was violeted by some thug wearing a orange shirt. Isnt women suppose to do searchs on women and childern??? Im am certanly looking into this... Lifting up a skirt, if front of 10,000 peole is a little much!!!!! Opening ciggaret packs, stealing peoples weed...... Frank f'ed up with the security team.. Never again will I go.. if they ever have it again.. im right across the street too!!!!!!!!
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Post by dancinginthemud on Jul 6, 2010 11:35:10 GMT -5
wow really? I guess some of the security team were on a bit of a power trip? My girlfriend had a dress on the WHOLE weekend and never once was bothered by anyone, I would roll up a J, and stick in my back pocket, and never once did they find it or even ask me if I had weed on me, they did look in my cig pack once, but I laughed at them. Also I had a bowl in my pocket, totally forgot about it, and they still didn't find it lol, well i'm sorry to the people who got harassed by security, my advice would be if your going through the check points, and you notice that one person is searching alot harder then the other one, just get in the other line, I watched a guy just let like 15 people go by because there was a line building up.
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Post by shmalphy on Jul 6, 2010 11:44:12 GMT -5
they rummaged thru my girls purse and took 2 little buds. Then told her "this is fun for me, I like doing this"! They also threatened to take my bicycle. The big pussy security dude with the tattoos and white shades on was on the biggest power trip I have ever seen. What a little grouse that dude is! Great fest, but really shiznitty, overzealous security.
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Post by Dexxy on Jul 6, 2010 11:49:12 GMT -5
What was the reasoning behind the wallet searches? I spoke with my friend whos a lawyer and he believes that it was unjustified and possibly illegal to force us to present our wallet, then take things out in order to gain entrance to an area that we had a right to be in. We were searched upon entering the venue. We understand the pat downs looking in bags, ect.. but the searching of just the wallet. Thats like the cops searching your purse without reasonable cause. Its def. not illegal, dont be silly. Do you really not understand why they are searching wallets? Its pretty damn easy for people to hide a good amount of stuff in there that is not allowed into the venue. Seriously now, this is nothing new, lot kids have been stuffing drugs in their wallets forever. I would be willing to bet they found one or two people with a big chunk of stuff in their wallets and that is what caused the wallet searches.. Security has been stepped up this year at east coast festivals because of all the BS that has been going on the last few years. It is completely a result of all the fans complaining to promoters about lack of safety and security Stole your leatherman? Did you not realize knives are not allowed into the grounds? Did you not realize if you wanted to bring a leatherman, you should have put it somewhere that wouldnt be found - pack smart. I dont know of many larger festivals that would allow you to keep a leatherman upon entry if they find it. Opening cig packs?... seriously.. is that an issue for you? People hide stuff in there too, if ya didnt know. Nothing new there.. |
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Post by shirehobbits on Jul 6, 2010 11:57:21 GMT -5
Lifting up skirts and taking peoples doobies??? Really I think that is takin a bit to far with their power trips. I understand no hard drug, and im down with that... but come on now. I also was basically made to feel an inch high, cause i brought my bike.. They threatened me, and man handled me because of a bike??? REALLY?  LAME. |
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Post by tommacco on Jul 6, 2010 13:01:53 GMT -5
Thats like the cops searching your purse without reasonable cause. don't need reasonable cause, private event and nobody was forcing you to go through the gate. only thing that would've been unreasonable is random searches not at the designated gates should've just gone to the other side, they were really only checking for weapons, food, and beer there from what i noticed. i've never had anybody look in my wallet before but i can see why they would, plenty of room to fit hard drugs and even a razor blade |
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Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 6, 2010 13:16:40 GMT -5
Sorry to hear that anyone was feeling violated. Like Dexxy said, it's not illegal to search wallets, since it's part of us and our property and we agree to be searched by going to the festival and trying to enter the gate. It may be a bit excessive.....but it sounds like it was only a few of the staff doing it....perhaps people on a power trip or people who were told to step up the security.....I don't really know.
Personally, my experience with security at the gate was phenomenal. On Friday I took everything from my pockets and got tapped on my pockets once. The rest of the weekend, ever time I went through the gates I took my stuff out of my pocket and didn't even get a pat down. Just the guys looking at me and telling me i'm good and I could go through.
I thought it was pretty great. I never had a problem with the security.....but definitely understand the annoyance of the people that did. I had the same thing happen at Mountain Jam this year. I had no problem going through the gates and didn't even get patted down.....but some people complained about being violated and excessively searched. Seems like it depends on luck.........whether or not you get the cool security or the power-trip security.
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Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 6, 2010 13:25:54 GMT -5
Oh one more thing.......how about the two smaller stages? Being able to freely come and go to those with not even a checkpoint/search area was amazing. I loved being able to bring in beers, drinks, and some bud without any sort of hassle. That was really awesome and I hope it stays like that.
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Post by idio on Jul 6, 2010 14:52:05 GMT -5
they looked for drugs: okay....?
they took my weed: illegal substance
they took my bike: bikes arent allowed
they took my knife: seriously? this surprises you?
they lifted my skirt: that is a bit much
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Post by shmalphy on Jul 6, 2010 15:11:28 GMT -5
bikes aren't allowed? OK fine, neither is theft, or battery....
They didn't say don't ride the bike, they came up and threatened to take it from me. If I didn't know my rights, I prolly would have lost it. Seemed like the dude has big time issues with his manhood and had something to prove.
And seriously, shaking people down for drugs at a fest is not the norm, nor is it cool. I can't wait for my response from the ACLU regarding my letter about the incidents of battery that occured. They were doing full pat down searches, not legal bro...
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Post by serenity on Jul 6, 2010 15:44:34 GMT -5
I already posted this on another thread, but it seemed appropriate here too, so I'm reposting:
I noticed that the security got tighter as the weekend progressed. The first time I walked through security, they were so nice I thought I might even get a hug. I spoke with the policemen stationed by the gate a few times, once inquiring into what sort of things one might drop into the "amnesty box" they had set up there, but stopping just short of asking if they had gotten anything really good yet and if I might be allowed to check it out.
The general mood of the department seemed to be that they weren't thrilled with this festival coming to town, but so far they hadn't seen any trouble at all. I also heard two locals at the grocery store across the road express the same sentiment. I'm assuming that things had changed by Sunday, when my little purse was searched so thoroughly by the same team that I felt violated. The man did apologize though, at which time I gently took him by the arm and thanked him kindly for his apology, both acknowledging that it was something necessary that neither one of us enjoyed being a part of.
Personally, I was very happy with security. I took my shoes off on Friday when I was satisfied that my feet would be safe from harm and left them at my campsite for the weekend without putting them back on again until it was time to leave on Monday. I couldn't have done that without their diligence. There was not a piece of glass anywhere. That's worth paying extra for. These guys were keeping my person, including my feet, safe from harm, yet I could sit down and light up a bowl right in front of them without fear. The man who searched my purse was not looking for my stash. I didn't even try to hide it, it was in plain sight. No hassle. (Imagine a hippie music festival that hassles people for smoking a little pot? No one would go next year.)
In hindsight, some of my positive experience with security might have to do with my age. I'm older than most of the police, and some of the security guards could have been my kids. I was treated kindly by all, and at this age, no one even considered patting me down, even when I offered to subject myself to a very thorough search by one particularly nice-looking fellow at the venue gate.
Overall, I was impressed by the sense of personal responibility I saw around me. People tended to police themselves and were kind to each other. I did notice a few of the younger folks that lacked a little courtesy for the people around them, but it was just a few, and they're young yet. It was nothing that won't most likely pass with time and experience. The feeling of safety that could only be found in the Deadhead community of old was still very much alive and well here - the old unwritten, unspoken rule - do your thing, but do no harm.
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Post by idio on Jul 6, 2010 15:48:30 GMT -5
bikes aren't allowed? OK fine, neither is theft, or battery.... They didn't say don't ride the bike, they came up and threatened to take it from me. If I didn't know my rights, I prolly would have lost it. Seemed like the dude has big time issues with his manhood and had something to prove. And seriously, shaking people down for drugs at a fest is not the norm, nor is it cool. I can't wait for my response from the ACLU regarding my letter about the incidents of battery that occured. They were doing full pat down searches, not legal bro... ive been to many festivals over the years and there is always some kind of search going down for booze and drugs... it might be a real search or a rudimentary search. not sure why you would think there would be, literally, no searching... also, comparing written rules about items that aren't allowed to actions that are illegal no matter where you are - really, not a good comparison. *you* might be able to ride that bike all night long and not run over someones toes or into someone's legs. but someone else would. its like those a@&$#&$s who play frisbee over peoples heads at these things. you WILL hit someone not playing your game. from what i saw, you hit that lady in the face and then you hit my beer. unfortunately, frisbees are allowed. |
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Post by mojo4395 on Jul 6, 2010 16:09:55 GMT -5
The lifting up of the skirt is definitely a problem. There are always a handful of security guards that need to make up for a lack of size in the manhood department by being complete douchebags, and I'm sure Nateva had a couple of them. I was patted down with no problems and none of my crew had any problems. As far as finding any drugs, security will typically take your drugs if they find them. I had a friend who lost some stuff the first day at Bonnaroo. They are illegal and, while blind eye is generally turned, that's never a guarantee.
Frankly, I found the pat downs and the wristband checks to be no more intrusive than those I had at Rothbury or Bonnaroo. Some were more than others, but that's the nature of the beast. Frankly, I heard of way more problems with security getting handsy at Rothbury last year (there was a pretty active thread on that over at Infobury) than I did at Nateva.
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Post by shmalphy on Jul 6, 2010 16:20:46 GMT -5
I am saying that confiscating a bike is theft. Security does not have that right, and they tried to exercise it anyway. They backed down when I let them know that I know my rights...
Also, placing your hands on an individual is called battery. The pat downs were excessive, and not performed by trained individuals. They overstepped their bounds
Also, in response to this statement:
" These guys were keeping my person, including my feet, safe from harm, yet I could sit down and light up a bowl right in front of them without fear. The man who searched my purse was not looking for my stash. I didn't even try to hide it, it was in plain sight. No hassle. (Imagine a hippie music festival that hassles people for smoking a little pot? No one would go next year.)"
They WERE taking personal stashes of herb. My friend and my gf lost theirs...
I will go next year, but I will prolly not be paying for a ticket, just like about half the people there this year...
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Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 6, 2010 16:27:42 GMT -5
They WERE taking personal stashes of herb. My friend and my gf lost theirs... Again just want to point out that you're probably dealing with a few security individuals who abused their authority.....and there are individuals like that at every music festival. |
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Post by mojo4395 on Jul 6, 2010 16:39:32 GMT -5
I am saying that confiscating a bike is theft. Security does not have that right, and they tried to exercise it anyway. They backed down when I let them know that I know my rights... Also, placing your hands on an individual is called battery. The pat downs were excessive, and not performed by trained individuals. They overstepped their bounds Also, in response to this statement: " These guys were keeping my person, including my feet, safe from harm, yet I could sit down and light up a bowl right in front of them without fear. The man who searched my purse was not looking for my stash. I didn't even try to hide it, it was in plain sight. No hassle. (Imagine a hippie music festival that hassles people for smoking a little pot? No one would go next year.)" They WERE taking personal stashes of herb. My friend and my gf lost theirs... I will go next year, but I will prolly not be paying for a ticket, just like about half the people there this year... Confiscating the bike if it wasn't allowed on the grounds is not theft. By purchasing a ticket, you waived certain rights and agreed to abide by certain rules. The "No No's" section of the website specifically says "No Bicycles or Skateboards please. Too many people. Feel free to bring your bike with you and then take a ride along the beautiful country roads outside the Fairgrounds, but not inside the Camping or General Viewing Areas. Sorry." As far as the claim of battery, if you go to any sporting event, concert, or other large public gathering, you are likely going to be patted down. Sometimes it will be more thorough than others. It is not at all "battery" to do a security pat-down. Again, by purchasing a ticket, you consented to being searched. If a particular security guard was being inappropriately handsy, you should've brought that to the attention of a supervisor and had it dealt with. However, a search is in no way battery. As far as the fact that they were taking "personal stashes of herb," like it or not, marijuana is illegal. They find it, they take it. That's the way it is at any festival. Every festival has instances of security confiscating illegal drugs, and, if you choose to bring illegal drugs, it's a risk you assume. Finally, your comment about attending without a ticket, other than a few folks that showed up on Sunday, I saw very few non-wristbanded people. And they checked the wristbands very thoroughly to get into the main venue on Sunday. As Keller Williams said, gate crashers suck, and if you choose to be one, I'll gladly quote that song for you. |
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Post by veroni on Jul 6, 2010 19:02:19 GMT -5
I was never hard core searched and thought the secuirty was just fine. They did tell me though that the entrance closer to the main gate was searching alot harder because they were getting more day ticket traffic and people were selling there wristbands for the day. I guess you jus had to find the right secuirty but they did there job, and i felt safe. We brought our air mattress in and there wasnt any problem. They just kindly asked us to deflate it and we can pump it up in the venue
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Post by jessef on Jul 6, 2010 22:11:09 GMT -5
female security, kinda young, chubby, blond hair pulled back. did you have the same one?? she was the only security that I had a problem with. first wanting to do real detailed search of my wallet and everything, then she was convinced I was lying to her when I said I didn't have any weed (which was actually true). For the first two days, the quick glance in the bag and pat over my pockets really didn't bother me, but Sunday got kind of out of hand. I still think people are overreacting a bit to this - they are only enforcing the rules, after all. I'll be back next year, and I'll remember to keep things tucked away in case some security gets a little too ambitious. I will say that the one thing I have a problem with was how inconsistent it was. I'm sure everyone stood at least once getting thoroughly patted down while the person in the next line practically walked right through. Anyways, it seems to have worked out just fine for most of us. |
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Post by wvmountainweir on Jul 7, 2010 3:38:14 GMT -5
I had no real problems with security. I was usually gently patted down walking into the mainstage, but nothing crazy. One time Sunday afternoon some "tough guy" looking guy reached inside both my pockets and into my cargo shorts, it was real obvious he wanted to find something on me. But he didnt and he looked frustrated but soon let me go. LOL i had some dank stashed in my Birks. Douche bag.
No issues other than that. The horsepeople security were all cool and nice, felt very safe with them there...Staff was kind as well
My question is though: Security? Where do they get them? Theyre not volunteers are they? Some of them look like young 20 year old girls, others are like 55 year old men? Who are they?
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Post by idio on Jul 7, 2010 8:08:05 GMT -5
I will go next year, but I will prolly not be paying for a ticket, just like about half the people there this year... please stay home. |
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Post by idio on Jul 7, 2010 8:12:38 GMT -5
My question is though: Security? Where do they get them? Theyre not volunteers are they? Some of them look like young 20 year old girls, others are like 55 year old men? Who are they? the security teams, mounties, and even the guy that parked your car - they all work for companies that travel around doing this kind of thing... sometimes they get local people, sometimes they use their staff. they have had those mounties at roo since forever. i was talking to my parking guy and he had just done roo a few weeks back... i was surprised the parking people travel around. |
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Post by joker on Jul 7, 2010 10:19:47 GMT -5
I am saying that confiscating a bike is theft. Security does not have that right, and they tried to exercise it anyway. They backed down when I let them know that I know my rights... Also, placing your hands on an individual is called battery. The pat downs were excessive, and not performed by trained individuals. They overstepped their bounds Also, in response to this statement: " These guys were keeping my person, including my feet, safe from harm, yet I could sit down and light up a bowl right in front of them without fear. The man who searched my purse was not looking for my stash. I didn't even try to hide it, it was in plain sight. No hassle. (Imagine a hippie music festival that hassles people for smoking a little pot? No one would go next year.)" They WERE taking personal stashes of herb. My friend and my gf lost theirs... I will go next year, but I will prolly not be paying for a ticket, just like about half the people there this year... If bikes weren't allowed and you brought one then they had every right to "confiscate" it. Odds are it would have been returned to you anyway. A pat down at an event is NOT battery, They do NOT have to be conducted by a trained individual. Complain to the ACLU all you want, that type of search is legal at an event like this. Your friend brought something in that wasn't allowed (personal stash or not) she is the one that fudgeed up, NOT security. Saying you're going to go without paying next year gives us a good idea of the type of person you are. It's no wonder you had some issues. Karma really is a grouse  |
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Post by armedaneian on Jul 7, 2010 12:20:36 GMT -5
Maybe Joker has a point and karma is at play here? If not, I apologize, but I had no problems all weekend and felt they were only checking for beers... and plenty of them made it through the checkpoint. Even though I was never really searched going in, I always secure my unmentionables in an unsearchable place. Anyone that has been on tour knows that every venue and their security personnel are different. Take no chances. If you have anything to hide it should be hidden! If anyone had a problem with the searches, don't come to Florida! We have the strictest security in the Nation. Metal detectors and empty pockets are the norm. Nateva, for me, was nothing but blissful freedom!  |
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I was like are you serious! The girl did nothing but ask for our wallets and we were told that if we did not hand them over we would not be allowed into the main concert area! That blew my mind. My man handed over his wallet thinking she was ging to simple open it maybe check name on ID thought maybe they were looking for someone, but no she puled everything out money, credit cards, business cards then handed it back to him. He then told her " great job way to go!" lol being sarcastic. Then I approach and she does the same to me. Then asks me if I am carrying any Marijuana with me. I responded by telling her I have cancer and have a script for it, but no i do not have any on me ( It was pretty obvious I have cancer. Short hair lopsided boobs and scares all over my chest that were visible. She was then like oh sorry you can have whatever you need then let me walk away.
LAME. 
